I was involved in the Grif rank discussion. I think Grif is actually still a Sergeant. Wash never actually called command, he just said "Grif is now rank _______". While I do think Freelancers could change simulation soldier ranks it would act like a field demotion or promotion. It only holds for a short time and then needs to be logged with command to be made official. So once the mission was complete Grif would return to the rank of Sergeant, he just doesn't care enough to check or bother with it (after all, its more work).
My secret hope is having a squad of red soldiers (like the flag guys) showing up looking for their "Sergeant Grif" and stealing him away while he's sleeping chanting quietly "All Hail Grif! All Hail Grif!"
Well... his last squad yeah, but that leads me to two lines of possibility:
1) The old squad is given orders to regain their sergeant by command after he is technically "abducted" and they've been searching for him ever since.
OR
2) His old squad called in their Sergeant as having been collected for a secret mission, got a new Sergeant and when Grif came up again at the end of season 8 on the roster they assigned him a new squad of fresh recruits (Capture the Flag guys) who show up to deliver the orders and get their sergeant
Ranks don't really matter anymore. Sarge is still their leader but he isn't their true leader. It's all simulation.nrank doesn't matter to Sarge anymore so I don't thin he would care about that. Only of grif tried to give Simmons orders again.
I am really questioning the whole 'simulation troops' thing. I mean Sarge supposedly was an ODST before becoming a Red Sergeant (He told Simmons he used to drop out of ships at high orbit in the war) and once the UNSC took control of the simulation they would have integrated the simulation troops into their ranks somehow, in this case they labeled them 'trainees'.
So here's how I think the rank thing would work (and yes I am over-thinking things): Project Freelancer culled enlisted army for low skill soldiers and put them into simulation squads. When project freelancer was dismantled the UNSC labelled all prior 'simulation troops' as trainees. Even though they are 'trainees' would be part of the UNSC rank structure so there is a chance that we could be dealing with real ranks now. Even as trainees it would be easier to transfer the current ranks into the existing army structure en mass right? So I think we would be dealing with a normal army structure now, the only question is whether they transferred their ranks over or not. -This is just a guess though-
I just want to say, that I think Grif is awesome. He was hilarious in Revelations, especially. He pretty much lives the life. I find myself having more and more "Grif moments" every day. But anyway, he is awesome. Your argument is invalid.
For those of you our there who play Star Wars the Old Republic, what class would Grif be? I said Smuggler since I could easily see him hanging out on his ship running weapons and ammo from one side to another and then sleeping all day and loving the freedom the life would give.
I think you're right on. If you remember from Reconstruction, he sold his squad's ammo to the Blue team in Rat's Nest so he's already got his smuggling career started. And let's not forget stealing Simmons' identity and running up all those charges at the pawn shops and peep shows...
And don't forget he taught his sister how to boost a ship and is so far the only one to prove he can pilot, other than Tex and maybe Wash. Definitely think Grif is a smuggler for sure and I can see Simmons being his sidekick and the brains of the operation. For some reason I have this visual in my head of grif hanging out in some Han Solo setting with Simmons as a human version of Chewie.
Griff is actually really awesome and am i the only one that has noticed that apart from tucker he is the best red/blue soldier? Because i have realized he has really fast reactions?
And yes, you're right. Grif is way more awesome than he wants anyone to realize. During the early bits of Blood Gulch Chronicle, he was the one with the sniper rifle scouting out the Blue's actions. He's their driver when things get tough and he always see the angle that will win the day...or at least all the reasons why they can't possibly win.
Holy cow I can't believe this thread is still going....I've just been so lazy I haven't posted in like 3 years... Well might as well answer a month old question - In reply to ptath, #43758:
Okay, Grif fans. Here's a challenge for y'all.
How would you reconcile the flashback and the chatter between Tex and York in Out of Mind?
I'm referring to the Church/Tex/Wyoming discussion flashback of early Freelancer training and also everything York and Tex referred to about
I would say just hand-wave it away to be honest. There's some stuff they've kinda written themselves into, and no reason to dig too into a mini-series
Perhaps. I think a Grif/Carolina dynamic could be very interesting -- even without turning into all-out romance. We've seen that Carolina had a good dynamic with Four Seven Niner, Angel On My Shoulder. It would make sense that she'd start to build a similar rapport to the Blood Gulch crew's primary driver.
I think Grif should learn how to fly a Pelican, though. Properly. Maybe upgrade to a full-size ship. *grins*
I've enjoyed the Freelancer flashback arc -- but the Reds and Blues are the heart of the entire franchise. I hopeful that we'll see them happening to Carolina and others this season. And by happening, I mean the newcomers getting exposed to the insanity and randomness that was so fun in Blood Gulch.
The "Sync" bit was very fun! Wash is adapting nicely, I think. "Oh, just say 'Sync' every time she says 'Sync'." He's rollin' with it. May have something to do that, in the flashbacks, Wash does feel like the baby of the group. Younger, less experienced, and a bit more flexible.
Yeah, we don't know exactly how long it took for them to go find Church, but Wash has definitely had significant experience with the crew. He seems to have mellowed out, too, now that there isn't much at stake anymore.
And yeah, I don't even mean romantically, but Grif has a couple of things in common with York, too, at least in my mind.
