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Nixorbo
#21931   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to chughed, #21930:

To call Snuff a City Watch novel isn't particularly accurate since the rest of the City Watch had cameo roles at best. That's one of the things that disappointed me about Snuff, actually. I love me some Vimes but I also missed me some Carrot, Angua, Colon and Nobby, Igor, etc and the story wasn't as compelling as Night Watch's to make up for the lack.
nanosuit
#21932   Posted 1 year ago
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Hmm.... i think that there should be a book about Igors! What do you think?
FameWolf
LetMeSleep
#21933   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to nanosuit, #21932:

Other than the confusion of having a book where every character has the same name, I'm not sure if they're a strong enough character to hold a story. So far, they've been used in a supporting role, virtually indistinguishable from each other (with two exceptions that come to mind - Igorina in Monstrous Regiment and the Igor who wore a quiff and had to be reminded to lisp in one of the City Watch books ).

I'm not saying it couldn't be done; but it would involve a lot of fleshing out, I think.
Nixorbo
#21934   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to FameWolf, #21933:
but it would involve a lot of fleshing out

BOOOOOOOOOOO
FameWolf
LetMeSleep
#21935   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Nixorbo, #21934:

Booooooooooo? (quickly stopping to check I got the right amount of Os)

I just think they've worked so far as support characters, but are still a touch two dimensional. As such, I just can't see them as the characters driving a story... yet. If you disagree, please let me know why! I'm always open to reconsidering where I go wrong!

An extra thought has occurred - are there any Discworld books which are led by someone who is not recognisably human? There hasn't ever been a dwarf, troll, Feegle etc that has totally led a story - though there have been a few where they've been key alongside a human lead. Well, with the exception of Death, which perhaps says much about how humanised he is (and even then, they often run parallel with Susan).

I'm not really sure where I'm going with that thought.

Perhaps I should take back my earlier reply - using the narrative established, a story of a person meeting/working with/interacting with a collective of Igors could work well. I'm not sure Igors could drive a story; but I suspect they could be the cause of a good one.
Nixorbo
#21936   Posted 1 year ago
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Let me try again:
[Igors] ]involve a lot of flesh

BOOOOOOOOOOOO
Psycho
Niggamortis
#21937   Posted 1 year ago
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I can think of a few novels where there's been an Igor at the centre of things, or at least fairly well involved in the plot beyond a mere support character.

Carpe Jugulum, Monstrous Regiment, Thief of Time (kinda, I think, it's been a while since I read it).

I agree they'd make a terrible focus point for a novel though.
nanosuit
#21938   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to FameWolf, #21935:

Dosen't Unseen Academicals count as having a supernatural character in the lead? Mr. Nutt the goblin
Nixorbo
#21939   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to nanosuit, #21938:

He's an orc , not a goblin .

spoiler
FameWolf
LetMeSleep
#21940   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to nanosuit, #21938:

Yes, that's a valid point - he is perhaps one of the most consistently central non-human characters in the series; but a lot of the narrative is also about Trev and Glenda too - Mr Nutt is a mystery, Trev and Glenda drive at least some of the story in trying to solve that mystery.

Similarly, Maurice the cat is central in Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents, but it still has Keith the piper there to follow too. Again, it's human characters to lead or share the lead. At least, that's how it seems.


In related news: has anyone mentioned that Unseen Academicals is going to be the next Sky adaptation?
LorD_BaZ
Sponsor
#21941   Posted 1 year ago
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I thought Mob only were going to make three which was why the rights had been cleared for the City Watch TV show?
LorD_BaZ
Sponsor
#21942   Posted 1 year ago
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Wow, I hadn't realised they had been so consistent with release dates. 2006, 2008, 2010 and likely 2012...
Felt longer between Going Postal and Colour of Magic.
bernardblack
#21943   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to LorD_BaZ, #21942:

between going postal and what sorry?
Jalnor
Tokra Man
#21944   Posted 1 year ago
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Yotz.
LorD_BaZ
Sponsor
#21945   Posted 1 year ago
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Colour of Magic, the second one they did. You know, the one that didn't have a rincewind in it?
Glod
Sponsor
#21946   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to FameWolf, #21940:

I did make this point before but my computer froze and lost it:
A lot of the humour in the Discworld is based around what is essentially culture shock, so you'd need the human interaction for the human to be the 'straight man'.

I don't think most readers would relate well to a completely inhuman character, and having people relate to the main character(s) is the best way to involve them in a story, no? Any main character would therefore take on very human characteristics, so even if a Discworld book were written from the point of view of a non-human, the main character would inevitably become humanised. Which defeats the point of not having a human in the leading role.

They did a Colour of Magic without a Rincewind in it??
Jalnor
Tokra Man
#21947   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Glod, #21946:

It was a David Jason version, which Sir Terry has said wasn't previously his image of Rincewind
LorD_BaZ
Sponsor
#21948   Posted 1 year ago
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Well, I am assuming that's what bernie meant, but I couldn't understand anything in that post anyway, so I'm just guessing
bernardblack
#21949   Posted 1 year ago
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the colour of magic movie...

that name no longer has any meaning for me

nanosuit
#21950   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to LorD_BaZ, #21942:

No one has mentioned the Hogfather serial...
LorD_BaZ
Sponsor
#21951   Posted 1 year ago
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Uh. What do you think the 2006 date was there for? Decoration?
cat5cable
Incompetent
#21952   Posted 1 year ago
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I was so underwhelmed by the going postal adaptation that you wouldn't believe. I loved the book and the adaptation was just. "Meh"
Nudge1
#21953   Posted 1 year ago
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Complete change of topic, but does anyone know where I can get a cheap (and that's the important bit) remote control F1 car or dragster for a project I want to do for the DW Convention this year? No spoilers as to why... yet ;)
Jalnor
Tokra Man
#21954   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Nudge1, #21953:

Depends how big and how cheap...
Nudge1
#21955   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Jalnor, #21954:

About the size of your palm (maybe a bit bigger) and as cheap as possible
FameWolf
LetMeSleep
#21956   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to cat5cable, #21952:

All I can hope is it was still a step up from the Colour of Magic adaptation. I still haven't been able to bring myself to watch the second half of that one...
cat5cable
Incompetent
#21957   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to FameWolf, #21956:

I've been let down by all of them, the hogfather wasn't bad I guess, It was probably the best of all the ones they've done.

But that could be because I'm big fan of death.

... Wait that sounds wrong.
FameWolf
LetMeSleep
#21958   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to cat5cable, #21957:

That's ok - on the thread here we completely understand what you mean by that. It's just not a statement to make in other circumstances - such as careers guidance interview or police interrogation, for example - as the results might be interesting, in an "Interesting Times" sense of "interesting"...
Glod
Sponsor
#21959   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Nudge1, #21955:

Diagon Alley?

Wait, mixing up my references here!

I should probably not have replied, since I had nothing useful to say, but that would not really be in the spirit of the discworld thread, would it?
CivilEnginer
#21960   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Glod, #21959:

Hello! You're old here! :P

Just saying I am around. And I'm VERY disappointed. Only 42 replies since I last visited?! I haven't been here in ages!
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