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jokersflame
#122071   Posted 3 hours ago
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In reply to LASER_FACE, #122070:
a much larger group of people will want to use the One on one TV as a way to use it as an all around entertainment device, just as people do now with the 360 and Netflix

What larger group? People don't by gaming consoles for the apps, they buy them for the games.

If they want to advertise themselves as more, that's great, but almost all the sales they make will be as a gaming console, not as a TV cablebox March madness box. Of course this statement is just as vague as the one you posted I admit.
EvanisJuular
SWOLO
#122072   Posted 3 hours ago
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In reply to jokersflame, #122071:

I think you're wrong on this. I'm seen tons of non-gamers talking about the One. Like I said, gamings aren't the core customer at this point. It's spreading. becoming something more.

Freelancer
MOIKULL
#122073   Posted 3 hours ago
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I'm pretty sure MS said something about requiring a pre-existing cable subscription for TV on the Xbox.
BuckeyeDon
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#122074   Posted 2 hours ago
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In reply to LASER_FACE, #122070:

You really, really, don't get it.

Greg isn't the one who has total control over the One. He doesn't even have dibs, just next.

You keep going on as though the One is an individual purchase. I've been trying to show the short come of the One when it becomes a household purchase.

Do you see this? Or do I need to draw a diagram?

I understand that one can use the One as just a gaming console. I totally get it. Personally, I find that it sucks nasty donkey balls that I have to buy all of the other crap that comes along with it just to play a game.
EvanisJuular
SWOLO
#122075   Posted 2 hours ago
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can you guys just shut the fuck up over the hypothetical greg
LASER_FACE
Hodor
#122076   Posted 2 hours ago
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In reply to jokersflame, #122071:

There's a reason that a lot of nongaming publications are talking about the Xbone, and that's because it's now something that the average consumer would want, regardless of whether they play video games.

What I'm surprised no one is raising a fuss about is the fact that it doesn't support audio/video cables; it only connects to HDMI. This means that if you have an older TV you need an adapter or you're screwed.
LASER_FACE
Hodor
#122077   Posted 2 hours ago
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In reply to BuckeyeDon, #122074:

I don't understand the scenario that you're trying to present. Under what situation would having a device that does games and other things fall short of the exact same thing that only does games? If it's because of price, well it was going to be ~$500 regardless of what it came with.
BuckeyeDon
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#122078   Posted 2 hours ago
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In reply to EvanisJuular, #122075:

No can do. This is important shit.

In reply to LASER_FACE, #122077:

Household buys only one X-1.

Dad has 1st dibs.
Mom has 2nd.
Family has dibs on Movie Night(s).
Fantasy Sports Bro has dibs on Football days.
Sis demands next for BFF time.
Greg gets the X-1 when others aren't using it.

I take it you've never been in a household/social setting where a single media device was used by all others. Otherwise you would clearly understand the more than hypothetical situation I've been presenting.
RobbyMac217
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#122079   Posted 2 hours ago
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I have one computer to share with 7 other people in my house. It sucks. Thank god for PS3's web browser.
LASER_FACE
Hodor
#122080   Posted 2 hours ago
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In reply to BuckeyeDon, #122078:
I take it you've never been in a household/social setting where a single media device was used by all others.

First off stop making assumptions, most of my life has been under that exact situation. In fact, my 360 is often hooked up to the family TV so some nights my mom uses it for Netflix instead of me being able to play video games, and I deal with that because I don't feel entitled to the only internet-connected device for the TV.

How exactly would your problem be solved by the Xbone having only gaming capabilities? Is there only one TV? If so then your hypothetical Greg would have to wait regardless. If the family has more than one TV, then other TVs would probably have a cable box or other device for whatever non-gaming need.
jokersflame
#122081   Posted 2 hours ago
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You guys are both right. Both types of households exist.

Both types of groups who would purchase this console exist. The interesting question will be which group buys more, and how much is sold.

Going off the stuff me know, I'm suspecting a pretty underwhelming debut for the 720, with sales slowly rising. It will sell like the PS3 did. At least that's how I feel about it.

Meanwhile PS4 will sell much more from the start, probably due to a smaller price (assuming they learn from last time), and better launch titles. It will take the early lead.

Both will be undersold by the Wii U. Because it's sales went up 875% on Amazon after the Microsoft revealing, showing that public faith isn't totally strong right now in the other big two.
LASER_FACE
Hodor
#122082   Posted 1 hour ago
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In reply to jokersflame, #122081:
You guys are both right. Both types of households exist.

I still see no kind of household where console that does less is better than a console that does more.
BuckeyeDon
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#122083   Posted 1 hour ago
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In reply to LASER_FACE, #122080:

So you do understand the trial and tribulations of a gamer. Why the act of not understanding? So quit scrunching up your forehead and immediately assume that everything I type is invalid.

If there is only one TV, then yeah, everyone has been sucking it up and sharing and waiting their turn. Dude probably has a life and only owns a handful of games. But we're not discussing that poor sap, we're talking about Greg.

Households with more than one TV can set up each TV for a dedicated purpose. The TV in the back room could be just for gaming. The one in the other room can be just for movies. The one on the kitchen counter can be for watching TV programming.

TVs are cheap. Heck, sometimes you can get them dirt cheap or free from others. I haven't bought a TV in many years. I have a 32" tube type you can have, you just have to carry it out of the back room.

However, this Xboned isn't cheap or free. It's going to be a planned household purchase, and Greg is just going to have to share, or save up his hooking money and simply buy his own with all of the crap that he doesn't want or need that comes with it.

And Greg won't be able to sell any Xboned games later on to help him buy other games. MS is going to be holding the rights for sales from now on and forever ever and ever.

Personally, I really don't give two shits or a rat's ass what MS is doing with the Xboned. I don't see me buying one any time soon. I'll be getting a computer system that can run Elder Scrolls VI when the time comes, and that won't be out for quite some time.

As far as the next Halo game, meh, I barely play Halo 4 now, and that is only when friends ask me to.



BuckeyeDon
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#122084   Posted 1 hour ago
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In reply to LASER_FACE, #122082:
In reply to jokersflame, #122081:


I still see no kind of household where console that does less is better than a console that does more.
It's not the household that I am focused on. It's the gamer, and that gamer will suffer if only one unit exists in that household. You've admitted that your gaming suffers because of what all the 360 can do. The more the household can use the Xboned, the less the gamer can use it.
jokersflame
#122085   Posted 1 hour ago
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In reply to LASER_FACE, #122082:

Maybe, just maybe, you're not 101% right on this one too?
jokersflame
#122086   Posted 1 hour ago
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In reply to BuckeyeDon, #122084:

I mean come on. "I still see no kind of household." We can't just even fucking imagine a home here?
LASER_FACE
Hodor
#122087   Posted 1 hour ago
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In reply to BuckeyeDon, #122083:

So you're saying it would be better if the family bought a Xbone and was only usable by one person? They would still have to spend money on all the other peripherals for their own TVs. Whether or not the Xbone would have this additional stuff it was going to be expensive; consoles always have been. This just allows those who want to wrap the clusterfuck under their TVs into one device to do so. Also as I stated before, MS has denied the rumors that you will have to pay a fee for used games so you can stop using that in your argument.
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