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KWierso
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#2731   Posted 1 year ago
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news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-4-million-debt-...
Help may be on the way. USA Today reports that Gingrich, in an interview, said he is embracing 's candidacy, and Romney and the Republican National Committee have offered to be helpful in retiring Gingrich's debt.
Shoot_Here
Kilo Five
#2732   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to KWierso, #2737:

Trump wouldn't of had this problem...
1984
#2733   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Shoot_Here, #2738:

Trump would still be railing on about Obama's birth certificate.
swooper74
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#2734   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Shoot_Here, #2738:

Trump has had exactly this problem, several times in fact, and with way larger sums of money. The man is a horrible business manager, but a brilliant self-promoter, which is why people keep giving him their money to lose.
BigBen
FORUM MOD
#2735   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to swooper74, #2740:

Well, to be fair, the type of real estate ventures trump does are almost always "Win big, lose big."

If you engage in a hundred million dollar real estate project while borrowing lots and lots of money to do it, either it's a crazy success and you're going to be able to pay it all back and make a killing, or it's not going to be a crazy success and you'll lose your shirt. That high of leverage doesn't leave much room for middle ground.
Shoot_Here
Kilo Five
#2736   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to swooper74, #2740:

I dunno the details about his financials (off to Google), but i'm sure he would have no problem handling a measly 4 million payroll
swooper74
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#2737   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to BigBen, #2741:

This is my issue with the way Trump makes money, when he does actually make money. It can often be little more than an insane stakes spin of the roulette wheel, with about as much chance of guessing right, but people keep throwing money at it. If The Donald had kept his betting restricted to the casino tables, at least he would have had a harder time in getting people to back his plays and wouldn't have left other people bankrupt on his gambling.

Not that I want it outlawed, any more than I want casinos shut down, I just think it's a stupid thing to do that often costs investors way more than they realized they were risking because of the sales pitch someone like Trump can lay on them to convince them it's a sure thing.
DiMono
SITE ADMIN
#2738   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to KWierso, #2737:

Some reason the law doesn't order the candidate to repay those debts themselves? I have no doubt he can afford it.
BigBen
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#2739   Posted 1 year ago
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Woman at Romney town hall says Obama should be arrested for treason

Romney basically ignores it and goes on with a talking point about how he'll respect the other branches of government, but does say "of course not" later when asked if he agrees about the treason comment.

The speaker introducing Romney said
Yost, who read from notes, said giving Obama credit for the bin Laden raid is like "giving Ronald McDonald credit for the Big Mac."
BigBen
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#2740   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to DiMono, #2744:
In reply to KWierso, #2737:

Some reason the law doesn't order the candidate to repay those debts themselves? I have no doubt he can afford it.


Well, it does to an extent. Money given to a campaign to help the campaign retire its debts is itself a campaign contribution, and federal law prohibits direct gifts to a candidate under the claim they are personal and not for a campaign. (which is how they're trying to get Edwards).

So Romney or his PAC cannot simply give Gingrich 2 million dollars to retire his debt.

What they can do is host the typical $1000 a plate fundraiser, which Gingrich makes a token speech endorsing Romney and Romney speaks and the money goes to retire Gingrich's debt.

DiMono
SITE ADMIN
#2741   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to BigBen, #2746:

No no, what I mean is, why isn't there a law that says "if Gingrich's campaign owes a bunch of money, Gingrich himself is on the hook for it"?
BigBen
FORUM MOD
#2742   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to DiMono, #2747:

Three or four responses to that.

First - depending on what this debt is, it might be.

Most of the time when you see "X politician's campaign owes money." This isn't that the campaign truly borrowed money, these are more like unpaid bills. This is rent due on campaign offices, bills from travel and catering bills etc. However, depending on the situation the contract might well have included some sort of personal guarantee. The owners of small corporations a lot of times have to sign personal guarantees in order to borrow any substantial sum of money.


Second, why would a campaign be different from any other corporation? The Newt Gingrich Campaign is actually "Newt Gingrich 2012, Inc." or something similar. It's a standard matter of contract law that unless somebody personally agrees otherwise, company debts aren't personal debts. They'd have to specifically change that for campaigns.


Third, making politicians personally liable for debts would effectively make it so that only the truly rich could risk running, do we really want that?
swooper74
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#2743   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to BigBen, #2748:

Would we be able to tell the difference?
Mongopwn
#2744   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to swooper74, #2749:

Maybe not, but then it isn't much of an improvement then is it?
KWierso
MYRADORABLE
#2745   Posted 1 year ago
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MICHELLE BACHMANN BETRAYS AMERICA
Shoot_Here
Kilo Five
#2746   Posted 1 year ago
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They can have 'er
swooper74
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#2747   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to KWierso, #2751:

Her opponents should start turning the Norwegian vote against her, they could make some serious gains on that point.
pal_sch
#2748   Posted 1 year ago
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This is the new Romney story making the rounds. I'll just note first that a lot of this is he-says-she-says, with the complication that the central figure is dead. But the story and notpology are worrying even with that;
John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn’t having it.

“He can’t look like that. That’s wrong. Just look at him!” an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann’s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber’s look, Friedemann recalled.

A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school’s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber’s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.
In a subsequent interview Thursday morning with Fox News Channel, Romney said he didn’t remember the incident but apologized for pranks he helped orchestrate that he said “might have gone too far.”
swooper74
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#2749   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to pal_sch, #2754:
he didn’t remember the incident but apologized for pranks he helped orchestrate that he said “might have gone too far.”
We are all fully aware that this is Politician Speak for "Fuck yes I did it, and if that kid was still flipping his hair around today, I'd do it again just to teach him a lesson," right?

I think it's good that the Republican party has been able to come up with a candidate who truly represents their core values of bullying anyone different from themselves into submission or suicide.
pal_sch
#2750   Posted 1 year ago
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This is a solid take on the story.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#2751   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to pal_sch, #2756:

Getting a 500 server error.

The alternative to him lying in bold face is that he actually doesn't remember and this act was one of any number of terrible things he's done to other people "For the fun of it", which leads one to wonder how much more of a shitty human being he's been to other people in the past.

Post edited 5/11/12 11:46AM
KWierso
MYRADORABLE
#2752   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #2757:

Sucks to be you; works for me.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#2753   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to KWierso, #2758:

Speak of the devil...
Mongopwn
#2754   Posted 1 year ago
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Izzi
EYES OF FURY
#2755   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Mongopwn, #2760:

They don't want the truth getting out that Mitt used to be a girl.

Hey, I heard this rumor that Mitt Romney used to be a girl.
Mongopwn
#2756   Posted 1 year ago
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swooper74
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#2757   Posted 1 year ago
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Mongopwn
#2758   Posted 1 year ago
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Mongopwn
#2759   Posted 1 year ago
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BigBen
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#2760   Posted 1 year ago
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In reply to Izzi, #2761:

You know, I haven't ever heard Mitt Romney deny he was a girl!

Why is he hiding his past?
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