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Rainwizzard
#1   Posted 2 years ago
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can the two ever be compatible, We already know that the three monotheistic religions are instantly incompatible, (world made in seven days/Noa's flood/ earth belong at the centre of the universe.) but do you think that personal belief will ever co-exist with science or should we abandon religion as a large amount of it leads to scientific decline.
iCodester
#2   Posted 2 years ago
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Religion and science are not opposites, rather they are compliments. For there to not be a connection between science and religion is senseless. The division b/t science and religion is only a division of belief (God/no god, young earth/old earth, etc). Religion without science is ignorance, and science cannot take any harm from encompassing religion. I personally believe that those who are educated can hold to science and religion with no compromise, for there is no reason to have compromise.
Rainwizzard
#3   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to iCodester, #2:

Science can take harm from encompassing religion just look at creationists and people who disapprove of stem cell research
iCodester
#4   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Rainwizzard, #3:

Stem Cell Research who's medium is embryonic stem cells. Researchers have found other ways to obtain the same kind of cells in ways that are not 'ethically questionable' (ie the Australian scientists).
Rainwizzard
#5   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to iCodester, #4:

yes it is possible to obtain stem cells by cloning ones that have already be moved(if that was something else please link) but the point is this idea has put medicine back years on where it should be
Contracts
#6   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Rainwizzard, #1:
can the two ever be compatible, We already know that the three monotheistic religions are instantly incompatible, (world made in seven days/Noa's flood/ earth belong at the centre of the universe.) but do you think that personal belief will ever co-exist with science or should we abandon religion as a large amount of it leads to scientific decline.
There are only three monotheistic religions?
phoenix229
#7   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Contracts, #6:

No, but I suspect Rainwizzard was talking about Christianity, Islam and Judaism.
Exodusv
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#8   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to phoenix229, #7:

There are only three major monotheistic religions that have relevance.
Goggy29
#9   Posted 2 years ago
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The 2 things that should never belong together. But are always hand in hand.
daddylegs
#10   Posted 2 years ago
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Adult stem cell research has gone a long way in the pursuit of treatment for Lymphoma, umbilical cord blood is routinely preserved for treatment later in life, and we're able to harvest stem cells from skin now. Where exactly is the hold up? Adult and umbilical cord stem cells are just as good as embryonic ones. Even if you're not a 'religious' person, and even if you don't believe that a fetus is really a human child, isn't it preferable to get the cells from a source that doesn't involve creating a human fetus just to harvest stem cells from it?

Yes, organized religion has fucked things up in the past, but I can't believe that the world would be improved by everyone accepting that the universe we occupy is just a quantum hiccup.
Rainwizzard
#11   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to daddylegs, #10:

not quite, the cells in the umbilical chord are partially specialised, proper stem cells can only be harvested before the zygote has divided 8 times
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#12   Posted 2 years ago
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No versus threads.
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#13   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to iCodester, #2:

Don't tell that to Pope Leo.
Rainwizzard
#14   Posted 2 years ago
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Its not quite a VS thread (i know it says so) its more about can they ever work together
Chi_Mangetsu
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#15   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Rainwizzard, #14:

When you have the current Pope saying the things he has about contraceptives...

But that's the bigwigs and not much short of total social upheaval--because it's been so successful in religious hegemonic societies of the past--will change them. That being said, there is such a thing as Religious Humanism, the concept of which would probably make Thomas Aquinas' stupid little head explode.
Rainwizzard
#16   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #15:

I heard about that, terry Prachett is one, but how can u be religious?
Chi_Mangetsu
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#17   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Rainwizzard, #16:

Read the wiki. =P
Rainwizzard
#18   Posted 2 years ago
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It still includes belief in the supernatural which science will prove or disprove removing the supernatural element
xMCxHaVok
#19   Posted 2 years ago
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No because religion is the unexplained where science seeks to explain which religion does not like i.e evolution
Rainwizzard
#20   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to xMCxHaVok, #19:

but can there ever be a religion which ever works with science or is science itself a religion
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#21   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Rainwizzard, #18:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_humanism#Related_or_similar_traditions
FoxboyPrower
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#22   Posted 2 years ago
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They are not opposites. Although some treat it that way. Some try to use religion as a replacement for science and vice-versa. I have seen many sides of this. In my understanding of this, I believe religion explains* how things started and science explains the rest. I believe in micro-evolution and Noah's Ark ect. I think the two can work together if applied in the proper ways.
Personally I do not care much. I believe we can argue about more important things.

*loosely or as much as needed
Mexcello
#23   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Rainwizzard, #18:

Science doesn't look to answer the supernatural question. Science looks to examine the natural world and explain how it works. The supernatural is outside of its jurisdiction and it simply doesn't care about it.
Rainwizzard
#24   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Mexcello, #23:

Ah but science believes that every event that cannot be explained is an unknown, so any supernatural event is just another unknown, which science will discover
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#25   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Rainwizzard, #24:

Not strictly false, but it bothers me how you use use "science" the way we might otherwise use "Islam", Christianity", "Judaism", etc.

Post edited 2/19/11 1:24PM
Rainwizzard
#26   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #25:

why does that bother you, i mean 2000 years ago they had little to no understanding of the world around them,the bible and other book are the interpretation of the world around them like one of my friends said, 'if god wanted to help he would have included a physics textbook as a appendix
Rainwizzard
#27   Posted 2 years ago
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a little bit of food for thought or saving face whichever way you want to look at it
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12244279
Chi_Mangetsu
mulattobutts
#28   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Rainwizzard, #26:

Because it makes me think of that South Park episode with the otters.
Rainwizzard
#29   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #28:

indeed, something tells me if there was 2 people on this earth they would still try to kill each other
NaraVara
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#30   Posted 2 years ago
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In reply to Rainwizzard, #26:
In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #25:

why does that bother you, i mean 2000 years ago they had little to no understanding of the world around them,the bible and other book are the interpretation of the world around them like one of my friends said, 'if god wanted to help he would have included a physics textbook as a appendix
The fact that you think the approximate models of reality we awkwardly created in order to model the universe (we call it "physics") is equivalent to divine truth is exactly what Chi was getting at in #25.

Science is a system of observation and reasoning. It is not a book full of answers to questions.

Post edited 2/25/11 5:18PM
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