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Japan 8.8 Earthquake and TsunamiMajor Quake Hits Japan
#1  Posted 4 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote  |  + 1 Ditto
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Japan Weighed Evacuating Tokyo in Nuclear Crisis
The report quotes the chief cabinet secretary at the time, Yukio Edano, as having warned that such a demonic chain reaction of plant meltdowns could result in the evacuation of Tokyo, 150 miles to the south.

We would lose Fukushima Daini, then we would lose Tokai, Mr. Edano is quoted as saying, naming two other nuclear plants. If that happened, it was only logical to conclude that we would also lose Tokyo itself.

The report also describes the panic within the Kan administration at the prospect of large radiation releases from the more than 10,000 spent fuel rods that were stored in relatively unprotected pools near the damaged reactors. The report says it was not until five days after the earthquake that a Japanese military helicopter was finally able to confirm that the pool deemed at highest risk, near the No. 4 reactor, was still safely filled with water.

We barely avoided the worst-case scenario, though the public didnt know it at the time, Mr. Funabashi, the foundation founder, said.
#631  Posted 3 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote  |  + 3 Cool
In reply to Mongopwn, #631:

Tokyo? Dear god that would have been a mess.
#632  Posted 3 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
DiMono Site Admin
In reply to SpiderWolve, #632:

They probably would have moved everyone to Kyoto; same folks, just rearranged.
#633  Posted 3 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote  |  + 2 Funny
In reply to SpiderWolve, #632:

Somehow, I think it would've been totally fine.
#634  Posted 3 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote  |  + 1 Ditto
Chi_Mangetsu EmEffin TRex
In reply to Killericon, #634:

Agreed. From everyone I've met who was in the thick of it, they were aware that there were two truths going on: 1) that things are bad but would get better because Japan is a resilient country that can bear through it and had many friends willing to lend aid (the official word), and 2) the official word was being used in large part to avoid inciting panic and that the midden could hit the fan in a much bigger way at any time. Being an island nation and homogenized as Japan is, they're used to dealing with natural disasters as virtually no other country is with some of the most robust emergency drill practices and building codes in the world. When the ring of fire is your backyard, you can't really afford to take chances or cut corners. Hell, even their Mafia the Yakuza, as awful as they are, always can be seen doing their part to help the helpless in times of disaster.

So, tl;dr version, they would adapted and dealt with it. It's Japan.
#635  Posted 3 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
I think they made the right move, honestly. I have no doubt that the second they were sure shit was beyond control, they would have taken the necessary measures.

I'm sure some people are going to go on about "they lied to us!" Screw those people. Japan appears to have one of the few governments on this planet that genuinely cares about it's people. And while it's surprising (to me anyways) that they were much, much closer to catastrophe then they let on, I agree with most everyone else's sentiments on here. If there is one country on Earth that could handle something like this, it's Japan.

Crazy tentacle porn notwithstanding.
#636  Posted 3 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote  |  + 1 Ditto
In reply to Mongopwn, #637:

It's based on worst-case scenario assessments. It's still a concern, and I have no doubt efforts are in place to rectify the situation. But you can't help but wonder, when an article states in plain language that this concern will be the end of humanity if we don't fix it... that just screams sensationalism to me. I do agree that we need immediate action, and think probably the best solution is to pay France or Russia to take the nuclear material (since they already reprocess fuel, their infrastructure is set up for this), until a longer-term solution can be found. The US is going to have the same problem, because we have an open fuel cycle, rather than reprocessing our fuel to get maximum burn up.

For the record, I work in the nuclear industry.
#638  Posted 3 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
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"What must be admitted -- very painfully -- is that this was a disaster 'Made in Japan,'" the report said. "Its fundamental causes are to be found in the ingrained conventions of Japanese culture: our reflexive obedience; our reluctance to question authority; our devotion to 'sticking with the program.'"
#639  Posted 2 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
DiMono Site Admin
So according to this Cracked article, none of the hero workers died from radiation after Fukushima went up. I wonder why that didn't make it into the news over here.
#640  Posted 2 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
In reply to DiMono, #640:

A story that isn't sensationalist in both headline and content, highly inflammatory and a beacon of poor, biased journalism? Pssh, that doesn't cut the mustard in the US.

It's for the same reason if NRC inspectors give a nuke plant an upcheck during the scheduled annual inspection, the news story reads, "NRC Workers On Site Due to Potential Problems at Nuclear Plant."

I work at a nuke lab, and our news reads significantly different than standard news media, but then, we get actual, scientific information, briefings, and reports. It can still show a little bias from time to time, but for the most part, it's just technical information without fluff and emotion. I think the DOE/NNSA/NRC/IAEA joint commission report was passed around here regarding Fukushima close to a year ago, which was a few months beyond when the workers were supposed to be dead from radiation sickness.
#641  Posted 2 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
BuckeyeDon Crackpottery
In reply to ChaosAD, #641:

As an insider to the industry, how is the reputation of Davis-Besse holding up?
#642  Posted 2 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
In reply to BuckeyeDon, #642:

That's more NRC business, but we see things about them. That reactor in Ohio isn't what you call "a shining example." Too many incidents, corner-cutting, etc. But it's nothing compared to the problems they've had (and are going to have if they don't do something) at San Onofre.
#643  Posted 2 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
BuckeyeDon Crackpottery
In reply to ChaosAD, #643:

I'm all for nuclear plants and technology. I have absolutely no faith in those who are running the plants. First Energy has a poor track record (see the Great Blackout).

I'm just glad I live upwind of the dump.

Poor Buffalo and Cleveland once that place actually pops all of its seals.
#644  Posted 2 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
In reply to ChaosAD, #643:

If you're well-informed, could you fill us in on the problems at San Onofre? I live(d) in the San Diego area, so it was in the local news a lot, but I never was able to find what the actual problems were, beyond, I dunno, something with pipes or seals leaking?
#645  Posted 2 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
BuckeyeDon Crackpottery
In reply to robotminione, #645:
In reply to ChaosAD, #643:

San Ofore is worse than DB?

We simply had a reactor head that came close to rupturing and pumps that would have failed to keep things cool during a disaster and someone(s) lying about inspections.

#646  Posted 2 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
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Oh for fuck's sake...
#647  Posted 2 years ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
Chi_Mangetsu EmEffin TRex

This could be better...
#648  Posted 1 year ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
BuckeyeDon Crackpottery
In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #648:

Yeah, I tried illustrating the potential for harm, especially since TEPCO has been known to be both negligent and incompetent, along with similar agencies in the US, but the masses wanted to hear no part of it.

And there is still that matter of removing those pesky spent cores.

#649  Posted 1 year ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
BuckeyeDon Crackpottery
In reply to DiMono, #650:

So, you're still believing TEPCO's spin?

" Nuclear Regulation Authority Chairman Shunichi Tanaka said Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s inadequate expertise caused it to misrepresent key radiation data about the leaks, and suggested it needed more hands-on guidance.

"I've come to think they need to be spoon-fed," Tanaka said. "It is regrettable that TEPCO has caused confusion and fear in the international community by spreading misleading information.""

Fukushima Leak Upgraded To Level 3 Severity

"TOKYO — Japan's nuclear regulator on Wednesday upgraded the rating of a leak of radiation-contaminated water from a tank at its tsunami-wrecked nuclear plant to a "serious incident" on an international scale, and it castigated the plant operator for failing to catch the problem earlier.

The Nuclear Regulation Authority's latest criticism of Tokyo Electric Power Co. came a day after the operator of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant acknowledged that the 300-ton (300,000-liter, 80,000-gallon) leak probably began nearly a month and a half before it was discovered Aug. 19.

In a meeting with agency officials and experts Tuesday night, TEPCO said radioactivity near the leaky tank and exposure levels among patrolling staff started to increase in early July. There is no sign that anyone tried to find the source of that radioactivity before the leak was discovered."

Radiation levels at Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant spike

"An Aug. 22 readings measured radiation of 100 millisieverts per hour at the same tank. Japanese law has set an annual radiation exposure safety threshold of 50 millisieverts for nuclear plant workers during normal hours.

Last month, Tepco revealed that water from the tank was leaking. Japan's nuclear regulator later raised the severity of the leak from a level 1 "anomaly" to a level 3 "serious incident" on an international scale for radiation releases."

Fukushima radiation levels '18 times higher' than thought

"The Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) had originally said the radiation emitted by the leaking water was around 100 millisieverts an hour.

However, the company said the equipment used to make that recording could only read measurements of up to 100 millisieverts.

The new recording, using a more sensitive device, showed a level of 1,800 millisieverts an hour.

The new reading will have direct implications for radiation doses received by workers who spent several days trying to stop the leak last week, the BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes reports from Tokyo.

In addition, Tepco says it has discovered a leak on another pipe emitting radiation levels of 230 millisieverts an hour."

Growing sense of crisis” at Fukushima — Tepco “very concerned” about high levels of contamination in groundwater thought to be clean — Was to be pumped into ocean as part of bypass plan

"Reuters, Sept 6, 2013: [...] Tepco said it was “very concerned” that radioactive water could flow towards a bypass it is digging to divert clean groundwater around the damaged reactors and into the sea. [...] The tank that leaked radioactive water is at least 130 metres (426 feet) above the planned bypass area, but Tepco said the leak may have already reached groundwater – suggesting the bypass may have to be dug much further from the sea than planned, complicating an already fraught effort. [...] Local fishermen have consistently opposed the bypass plan, and on Friday reiterated they would not accept any release of even low-radioactive water into the sea, as has been suggested by Japan’s nuclear regulator.

Bloomberg, Sept 6, 2013: [...] The plan was complicated by the Sept. 4 detection of irradiated water in an area that had been thought free of contaminants. Inspectors found 650 becquerels per liter of beta radiation, which includes the contaminant strontium-90, Mayumi Yoshida, a spokeswoman for the utility known as Tepco, said today by phone. That’s more than 21 times government safety guidelines covering sea water near the plant for strontium-90, which has been linked to bone cancer. [...] Since the groundwater would pass through the plant’s tank areas before entering the bypass system’s intake wells, the tainted water found this week could pose a contamination risk.

Japan Times, Sept 5, 2013: “There is the possibility that the contaminated water (from the tank), diluted by rainwater . . . has seeped into soil and reached groundwater,” Tepco said in a press release. [...] The discovery of leaks from some of these tanks or from pipes feeding them, as well as radiation hot spots on the ground even where no water is evident, has created a growing sense of crisis.

NHK, Sept. 5, 2013: Officials at Tepco have warned of a potential new problem at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. [...] Tepco says it collected samples of groundwater from a monitoring well about 10 meters from the faulty tank. Tests showed the water contained high levels of radioactive substances."

Japan's nuclear crisis deepens, China expresses 'shock'

"The U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said on Wednesday it viewed the situation at Fukushima "seriously" and was ready to help if called upon, while nearby China said it was "shocked" to hear contaminated water was still leaking from the plant, and urged Japan to provide information "in a timely, thorough and accurate way".

"We hope the Japanese side can earnestly take effective steps..."
#651  Posted 1 year ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
Chi_Mangetsu EmEffin TRex
What in the actual fuck?
#652  Posted 1 year ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
BuckeyeDon Crackpottery
In reply to Chi_Mangetsu, #652:


I quit trying to keep the situation updated.

If we're fucked, it's too late to do much about it.

I'm going to pour me another Gin.
#653  Posted 1 year ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
DiMono Site Admin
In reply to BuckeyeDon, #653:

"Eh, if it's important it'll bite us."
#654  Posted 1 year ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
BuckeyeDon Crackpottery
In reply to DiMono, #654:

That's the thing about deadly things; once it bites you, it is typically too late.
#655  Posted 1 year ago  |  Reply  |  Quote
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