who said she wasn't she was a byproduct of the creation of the alpha which is a copy of the Directors mind which also remembers her failing and in the O-tex still failed.
Heh sorry memory is one of my fun things to discuss in other fandoms.
I think it would have been tougher to determine. Original Tex has, to this point, seemed practically invincible. And that's (presumably) before she got Omega. Who knows how having Omega affected her (maybe that's what triggered her memory alterations--that is why she remembered Church as her ex, having spent time with him in training, even though that can't chronologically be true)--there's nothing to say that having Omega crippled her in some way (constantly fighting against his insane impulses could take a toll on any person).
I disagree. E-Tex was based off of Epsilon's memory of Alpha's memory(PF Tex) of Allison. Tex also wasn't designed to fail. She was remembered as failing, and thus could do nothing else. It's kind of a recurring destiny thing. The Director remembered Allison failed, thus PF Tex, based off of the memory of Allison was also doomed to fail. It's along the lines of "No matter what she tried to do, she would eventually fail." Epsilon put it much more eloquently in S9, but that's the idea. She was remembered being awesome and competent, even inhumanly perfect, until the objective approached. Then she failed as Allison did before her, in the Director's memory.
According to season 9 O-Tex has not failed yet... for example during training she got 9 - 0 for the score (even though the 9th round resulted in york losing an eye, I still consider it a win because tex saved his life) and then Tex got the briefcase at the end of "Spiral". And she won several times during BGC
I'm fairly certain he was referring to Season 8's speech when e-Church let's e-Tex go. Sorry I was mixing up memories (ha!), but I know E-Church had that discussion with SOMEONE at SOME POINT.
The training exercise isn't important. It didn't matter. She didn't have an ultimate goal. And yet she *did* fail to save York completely.
When she went to rescue Alpha from Sidewinder, he had already been fragmented beyond recognition. When she went to get the flag back from the Reds, she got captured. When she tried to kill them with the tank, Donut killed her. When she went on the Great Mission to take the prize for herself, it got shot out from under her. When she went to capture Wyoming, York died and Wyoming escaped. When she joined Omega to enact his master plan, she ended up crashing her Pelican into Valhalla and getting captured by the Meta. Whenever she had a big goal, she failed at the last moment before victory.
As for succeeding in capturing the briefcase, she had Carolina with her the whole time, and it was just sitting there on the ground. And Tex is crazy awesome. It just so happens that she is effectively cursed. You could say that she just has horrible luck, despite her amazing skill.
There is no question Omega screwed with her sanity. Also, I think these memories could be considered planted, or genuine memories of pre-Director Church. I don't believe it was ever said that he didn't try to join the army/navy/marines/whatever, only that he wasn't able to serve. Anyway, he had to meet Allison somehow, whether that was through civilian life, or military training, I'm not sure, but I'm sure you all will love to discuss it.
True. She does win. A lot. A whole lot. But when it matters, and the stakes are the highest, she fails. She takes Omega back at the end of BGC, and the whole point of the last couple seasons was preventing him from fulfilling the Great Prophecy. She helped him in the end. We know that at some point in the future, maybe this season, she fails to break Alpha out of wherever he is being held. I'm sure there are other examples.
I honestly don't see her failure whatsoever. Whatever this "she is destined to fail" stuff really is, it isn;t being shown on screen.
For someone that is meant to fail so much, she hasn't got a good track record. Im hoping for some kind of development on this because I dont belive theres any evidence that she magically stops working properly just before success.
If meta had not stabbed her and had instead fallen off then cliff - then what? She would have succeeded. She didn't fail in that case, or almost any case, by her *own* doing.
The only thing that didn't go right, seemingly, is andy the bomb - however this was in the virtual world of the epsilon unit. This is not to mention all the things she has achieved, and the fact that every BG character has failed many many more times. Personally I think it means something deeper - like what she wants emotionally or something - and isn't inclusive of her physical ability.
When she gets so close to success that she shoots herself in the face to not succeed - I'll belive it. Until then, if you want a failure - look at CT.
i think it is meant both emotionally and physically because she does fail everytime she comes close to achieving her goals even if it is someone elses fault she still fails because she was designed to fail because of the director and even though it is someone else causing her to fail she still fails
I hardly think it counts if Tex wins by dumb luck at the last second. It's the crap she can controll that she subconciously will use to screw herself over.
But even so, she couldn't beat Maine through conventional means, could she? Blowing off that cliff wasn't good enough because Maine was perfectly capable of surviving it!
Tex will always fail at whatever her ultimate objective is. Smaller, unimportant confrontations on the way to achieving that goal can be won because the bigger picture is what matters for her. It's likely that she succeeded at all that stuff in the Season 9 prequels because her overarching goal wasn't simply to blow up Charon Industries, or beat her fellow Freelancers in a training match, or locate the sarcophagus. I imagine the Director gave her some other goal that we don't know about yet.
I thought what they meant by Tex always failling is dying. Church is always trying to save her from dying. Every time Tex pops up she is shortly after killed off. Only to have Church "recreate" that memory to have it happen all over again.
However, since Church was trapped in the epsilon unit and finally came to terms with this, I believe that he won't try to revive the memory of Tex again.
Someone else will try to bring Tex back. I kinda hope Churchington does it...
They said 3 Freelancers died: Meta, tex, and Washington but they are too incompetent to notice Wash's armor is empty and they have no body for Meta, so that leaves the window opened for his survival.
I think Maine pre-Sigma focuses more on hard hits and brawling and less on Martial Arts and Technique. Siga is Alpha's Creativity and I expect him to have come up with creative ways to improve Maine's fighting style, ways which we shall seein Season 10. Meta beating E-Tex was a result of his Stamina, Durability, New Styles Learnt from Sigma, Brawling, and Creativity. I'm also pretty sure that Meta fought original Tex sometime ago since he possesed the Tex AI and I doubt Tex would submissively let him take her, meaning that Meta+AIs must have found a way to beat her.
I did mention "some overlaying goal" but in different words.
What I am saying is - what this is we just haven't seen yet. Everything we've seen so far has not been her failing herself - imo.
In reply to Atomicsocks, #14179: This is how I interpreted it too however I haven't seen any evidence to suggest it's happened. Before she died she tried to kill meta and wash by blowing up the cliff and then slashed and stabbed him in the back.
If it is true - which i think it is - it would simply mean the overall stratagy was to, for example, find out who she really was. So her attempts to kill wash and meta wouldn't have been any different.. yet these caused her failure and are misinterpreted as her "failing on purpose". It really didn't look like she failed though - it looked like meta half blew her up and then stabbed her in the face :P
I have a feeling that PF Tex will find out about her nature, her curse to always fail, while rescuing the Alpha.
Personally, I feel that Tex is, and always will be, apart from the main groups. She doesn't really belong with the Blood Gulch Crew and she does not truly belong with the Freelancers.
I think in Season 10, as Carolina's sanity and morality fade, Tex will rise as the head chick, rallying the "good" Freelancers to rescue the Alpha. But, in the heat of the moment, she will ultimately fail.
Tex would've kicked his ass if she hadn't already been hurt by Wash. The entire fight up to that point proves that. She was noticeably weaker when she got up from the shot. If Wash hadn't shot her she probably would've destroyed Meta, as she had been doing for the last 10 minutes.
She hadn't been destroying him. If anything they were even or you could say Tex had the slight advantage. She has no endurance, Meta had his spine broken, took a knife to the shoulder, and a close range Brute Shot explosion. Tex would have gotten beaten by the Meta with or without Wash.
I suspect that it was, in fact, that sub-consicious weakness that Epsilon/Church mentioned that makes it impossible for her to win - that forces her to fail and die at the moment of triumph. She could feel that creeping up on her and it frightened her; listen to the sound very closely and you can hear her making increasingly desperate and fearful noises.
I can believe that, but she'd also been shot. I think the noises were from fighting with the injury. I just think that Wash was the instrument that brought about Tex's failure at Avalanche, not Meta.
Besides, wouldn't her "true" moment of triumph/failure be when she found the Director and then died? That was her ultimate goal, Wash and Meta were just a lead to the Director.
Slight advantage? Meta didn't land a single hit on her, aside from the opening tackle, until the end of the fight after she had been weakened. I think that qualifies as more than slight advantage. Tex would beat Meta one-on-one.
And Meta's durability is in a league of it's own and can't be compared realistically with Tex or anyone else. It's like comparing a Rhino in Kevlar with a Monkey in a leather jacket. One obviously will be able to take more hits, but the other is much quicker.
He landed a kick, a punch when he took the capture unit, he was on top of Tex for a while, they were practically even. Tex had a slight advantage of Meta and wasn't dominating like you claim she was. One on one she would have had the better combat prowess but Meta's strength would have been his match for Tex and his durability means that Tex would have no chance. Even in Season 9 when Tex dominated Maine he still was the only one to get up on his own post grenade.
